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Post by Yotes on Sept 3, 2015 20:50:57 GMT -6
Week 1 for the MVFC in 2015:
Saturday 8/29:
NDSU 35 @ Montana 38
Thursday 9/3:
Eastern Illinois 5 @ Western Illinois 33
Saturday 9/5:
Illinois State @ Iowa - 11AM SDSU @ Kansas - 11AM YSU @ Pittsburgh - Noon Butler @ Indiana State 2PM SIU @ Indiana - 3PM USD @ Kansas State - 6PM Missouri State @ Memphis - 6PM UNI @ Iowa State - 7PM
I believe the MVFC will be the top conference in FCS football again this year and there are opportunities for upsets over FBS teams this week. Illinois State may take Iowa to the wire, UNI already beat Iowa State just a couple years ago, SIU could beat a weak Indiana team, and SDSU might have actually been favored over Kansas on a neutral field.
Last year the MVFC lost only one game in the regular season non-conference FCS schedule - USD @ Montana - and Montana has already pulled this off again in the very first game of the season with their win over NDSU. Western Illinois really laid the smack down on Eastern Illinois tonight, did not see that one coming.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 7, 2015 0:31:26 GMT -6
A recap of Week 1:
NDSU 35 @ Montana 38 EIU 5 @ WIU 33 Illinois State 14 @ Iowa 31 SDSU 41 @ Kansas 38 YSU 37 @ Pittsburgh 45 Butler 17 @ Indiana State 52 SIU 47 @ Indiana 48 Missouri State 7 @ Memphis 63 Uni 7 @ Iowa State 31 USD 0 @ Kansas State 34
If there is a performance for the MVFC to hang its hat on in Week 1 it's either SDSU's win over Kansas or Southern Illinois being a 2-point conversion away from beating Indiana. Both of these power conference teams will probably finish dead last in their conferences, but it is still impressive for teams with far fewer resources to compete in these contests.
Youngstown kept closer with Pittsburgh than I was expecting and Western Illinois had an impressive blowout over Eastern Illinois, but there isn't much else to say about the conference in Week 1. Iowa held Illinois State scoreless until the 4th, UNI was blown out by Iowa State, Missouri State was killed by Memphis, and USD was shutout by Kansas State. I was hoping to see at least two MVFC victories over FBS schools, but that just didn't happen.
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Post by yote14 on Sept 8, 2015 12:38:05 GMT -6
www.sbnation.com/2015/9/5/9266047/kansas-south-dakota-stateAny time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. I dont want to be that guy but the article above points out why. SDSU actually has more scholarship players(63) than Kansas does(62). SDSU was actually favored in a lot of the lines. It's a good win but not that impressive. I would even go out on a limb and say everyone in the Missouri Valley is a better team than Kansas. Kasnas is horrible even for Kansas standards.
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Post by golfingyote on Sept 8, 2015 13:16:52 GMT -6
www.sbnation.com/2015/9/5/9266047/kansas-south-dakota-stateAny time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. I dont want to be that guy but the article above points out why. SDSU actually has more scholarship players(63) than Kansas does(62). SDSU was actually favored in a lot of the lines. It's a good win but not that impressive. I would even go out on a limb and say everyone in the Missouri Valley is a better team than Kansas. Kasnas is horrible even for Kansas standards.
They are bad, but not sure I would go that far. KU did well to make that a game, it almost got really ugly for a while there. Hard to say USD or Missouri State is hands down better than KU right now.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 8, 2015 13:24:39 GMT -6
It was a weird game, a tale of two halves. The clock management and fumble to end the game was embarrassing. It probably should have went to OT, and KU had the momentum at that point. Good win no matter what the FBS team is. You could tell it took KU awhile to gel.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 8, 2015 15:01:07 GMT -6
Kansas was the only team in Division 1 to start this season with zero players that had previously scored a TD at the D1 level. Not a single guy on their team had ever reached the end zone before. Kansas is in for a terrible season, even by Kansas standards. Baylor and TCU will probably 50 point favorites in their matchup
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 22:04:09 GMT -6
It was a weird game, a tale of two halves. The clock management and fumble to end the game was embarrassing. It probably should have went to OT, and KU had the momentum at that point. Good win no matter what the FBS team is. You could tell it took KU awhile to gel. The game tying FG would have been around 50 yards. I don't think he would have made it even if Cozert didn't fumble the spike attempt. KU's air-raid offense really tired the Jacks out in the 2nd half, which showed on the sidelines and on the field. It was reported that many SDSU players had to take IVs during the game. The only problem I see with Kansas is their horrendous defense. Their offense isn't that bad. There will be some BIG 12 games that they will get blown out but then there will be some that they will be right there for the win. I wont be shocked if they win 1 or 2 games in conference. Against who? Who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 22:46:36 GMT -6
Any time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. Is that what you think about USD's FBS win against a bad Minnesota team to?
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Post by sdyotefan on Sept 8, 2015 22:51:20 GMT -6
The Minnesota team USD beat was definitely better than Kansas. Their QB was one of the top QBs in Minnesota history.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 9, 2015 5:32:10 GMT -6
Minnesota actually won a few games that year, including one against a ranked Iowa team. Kansas will probably go 0-12 and be notoriously terrible this year.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 9, 2015 6:59:01 GMT -6
It was a weird game, a tale of two halves. The clock management and fumble to end the game was embarrassing. It probably should have went to OT, and KU had the momentum at that point. Good win no matter what the FBS team is. You could tell it took KU awhile to gel. The game tying FG would have been around 50 yards. I don't think he would have made it even if Cozert didn't fumble the spike attempt. KU's air-raid offense really tired the Jacks out in the 2nd half, which showed on the sidelines and on the field. It was reported that many SDSU players had to take IVs during the game. The only problem I see with Kansas is their horrendous defense. Their offense isn't that bad. There will be some BIG 12 games that they will get blown out but then there will be some that they will be right there for the win. I wont be shocked if they win 1 or 2 games in conference. Against who? Who knows. For starters, I was at the game. SDSU came out and punched Kansas right in the mouth and by every rights deserved that win. They were without question the best team on the field by far, more so than the three point win showed. If USD had won that game, we would also be puffing out our chests saying we beat a Power 5 conference school. The win was earned. Congrats, no mater how crappy the team, it still is quite an accomplishment. Secondly, arguing who is worse, Kansas or the 2010 Minnesota team is an argument that is pointless. Third, the kicker you dismiss so quickly as not being able to make the field goal had an awfully strong leg witnesses by the fact he kicked several kickoffs way behind the back line of the end zone. So a 50 yard field goal was doable. I won't say he would have made it or not, but he easily had the leg to do it. You can't argued that point. And even if it does go into overtime, in my opinion, SDSU had the better team, Kansas had home field, so I think there's a good chance the Jacks win anyway. But in all candor, you did beat a really crappy team, albeit a Big 12 school. So enjoy the win, brag a little,but then hunker down when you hit the Missouri Valley. I think you're a top level team that should contend. We aren't there yet,but we now at least have a team that plays defense, and that might win a few games for us. FWIW.....2010 Minnesota 27 2015 Kansas 7 ✌️
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 9, 2015 8:08:12 GMT -6
Kansas won't win a game this season unless Iowa State gifts them one. Kansas is a really crappy team, for those of us that know about football, but for the general public the perception is that this was a big win. Perfect example, the neighbor lady was really impressed that SDSU beat a really good Jayhawk team. Kansas = Big 12 = quality team. I informed her that Kansas wasn't that good and will most likely not win a game this season (no reason to lie to her). She had a puzzled look on her face because Kansas is in the Big 12 and they have a nationally known basketball team so how can they be that bad. Perception is all that really matters anymore.
Yeah, that Minnesota team that USD beat in 2010 would easily beat 2015 Kansas. The Gophers actually went on to win a few games that season and against some quality opponents.
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Post by yote14 on Sept 9, 2015 8:15:30 GMT -6
Any time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. Is that what you think about USD's FBS win against a bad Minnesota team to? That Minnesota team was a bad team yes. But they didnt have less scholarships than USD like Kansas did. USD was also not favored to beat them as SDSU was against Kansas. It was a big win for their program but not an upset as most point spreads predicted.
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Post by yotemeal on Sept 9, 2015 9:47:24 GMT -6
Kansas is undoubtedly a really, really bad football team, and I think this season will represent rock bottom. It's remarkable - perhaps unprecedented - for a power-conference FBS team to be down 20+ scholarship players. That's not on the current staff. Charlie Weis and Turner Gill were absolute disasters, and that program is being rebuilt from the ground up. That said, I'm not getting too caught up in whose FBS win is more impressive - we're dealing with degrees of bad. The upset formula typically involves a decent FCS program knocking off a down FBS program. There are exceptions along the way, but the FBS teams taking those losses generally face a long season. I think that's what's most intriguing about NDSU's scheduled tilt with Oregon. The Bison have captured a lot of low-hanging FBS fruit. They made an impressive step up against K-State. But Oregon, assuming they remain in current form, would represent a giant leap up the food chain.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 9, 2015 11:13:22 GMT -6
Kansas is undoubtedly a really, really bad football team, and I think this season will represent rock bottom. It's remarkable - perhaps unprecedented - for a power-conference FBS team to be down 20+ scholarship players. That's not on the current staff. Charlie Weis and Turner Gill were absolute disasters, and that program is being rebuilt from the ground up. That said, I'm not getting too caught up in whose FBS win is more impressive - we're dealing with degrees of bad. The upset formula typically involves a decent FCS program knocking off a down FBS program. There are exceptions along the way, but the FBS teams taking those losses generally face a long season. I think that's what's most intriguing about NDSU's scheduled tilt with Oregon. The Bison have captured a lot of low-hanging FBS fruit. They made an impressive step up against K-State. But Oregon, assuming they remain in current form, would represent a giant leap up the food chain. NDSU's win over KSU was very impressive, but they were fortunate to have KSU during the year they had their best team ever. Any other NDSU team to date probably doesn't win that game. If all things remain constant I don't see a close game for them against Oregon - but it's still a ways down the road.
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