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Post by yodayote on Apr 20, 2016 8:15:55 GMT -6
He was under scholarship for the 2nd semester at USD and does not have the option to enroll or speak with other coaches at another 4 year college without the athletic departments permission. So, he would have to wait until the end of the semester after his obligations were fulfilled and then go seek other colleges for scholarship offers. Very risky move. The loophole is transfering to a JC, which he is obligated to be there for 2 semesters, and not losing a year of playing football. Much safer route. I thought the consensus on this board was that the administration supported his decision. Pretty sure a current player got on here and said that. Would that not be considered permission? But I wasn't aware of the rules on this, so I appreciate you posting them. It is easy to say that you support the decision after he is already gone. It would be PR nightmare to say they were not in favor. |
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Post by fightsd on Apr 20, 2016 8:17:11 GMT -6
I thought the consensus on this board was that the administration supported his decision. Pretty sure a current player got on here and said that. Would that not be considered permission? But I wasn't aware of the rules on this, so I appreciate you posting them. It is easy to say that you support the decision after he is already gone. It would be PR nightmare to say they were not in favor. Good point. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Apr 20, 2016 9:28:41 GMT -6
You know what, I was bitter when he decided to leave and I am still bummed out, but this guy proved me wrong. As was said on here, there is still risk of the unknown at IWCC in the fall, but he set out with a specific plan in mind and was rewarded with an offer from the school he wanted to go to. Good for him.
I honestly cannot blame the kid in this case anymore. I was skeptical and didn't think this would come to fruition until after he played in the fall. I was wrong and will eat crow.
Now go out and be successful, AVG! (except against Nebraska...)
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 26, 2016 8:41:43 GMT -6
Picked up some new offers from: Louisville, UAB, Pitt, Ohio, Kansas St.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 26, 2016 10:42:20 GMT -6
Picked up some new offers from: Louisville, UAB, Pitt, Ohio, Kansas St. Reading that just makes me think he would've had the same shot if had he stayed and played for the Yotes... He would've garnered the same attention from the NFL scouts if he was a stand-out defensive player for the Yotes. I just keep coming back to the whole loyalty thing... We were the only ones who saw his potential coming out of high school... Gave him his shot, he delivered, and is now taking that exposure to a different team... I know... I need to get over it as well... |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 26, 2016 11:21:06 GMT -6
Picked up some new offers from: Louisville, UAB, Pitt, Ohio, Kansas St. Reading that just makes me think he would've had the same shot if had he stayed and played for the Yotes... He would've garnered the same attention from the NFL scouts if he was a stand-out defensive player for the Yotes. I just keep coming back to the whole loyalty thing... We were the only ones who saw his potential coming out of high school... Gave him his shot, he delivered, and is now taking that exposure to a different team... I know... I need to get over it as well... The spotlight is brighter at the FBS level. If the NFL is the goal then FBS gives better odds as he will show himself against higher competition. FCS guys can and do go pro, but the FBS path increases your chances. |
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Post by fightsd on Apr 26, 2016 12:16:02 GMT -6
Reading that just makes me think he would've had the same shot if had he stayed and played for the Yotes... He would've garnered the same attention from the NFL scouts if he was a stand-out defensive player for the Yotes. I just keep coming back to the whole loyalty thing... We were the only ones who saw his potential coming out of high school... Gave him his shot, he delivered, and is now taking that exposure to a different team... I know... I need to get over it as well... The spotlight is brighter at the FBS level. If the NFL is the goal then FBS gives better odds as he will show himself against higher competition. FCS guys can and do go pro, but the FBS path increases your chances. Have to disagree. If a guy's good enough to play at that level, he will get the shot to play at that level. Number 1 overall pick on Thursday could very well be an FCS guy. |
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Post by nccyote on Apr 26, 2016 12:28:33 GMT -6
I'm happy for AVG, but he still has a long way to go to make this a "good" decision. Just because you receive an FBS scholly doesn't mean that he will ever see the field at that level. add on top of that the level of OL he could be playing against will definitely be better. Is it an advantage to his pro aspirations to go from being a big fish in a little pond to a small fish in the ocean. He could go from being All-American, getting double digit sacks at USD, to being a rotational pass rusher at Iowa and playing special teams. Time will tell, but the argument that you need to go to a FBS school to get into the NFL is becoming weaker by the year (see Wentz, Kyle Emmanuel (NDSU), David Johnson (UNI), MyCole Pruitt (SIU), Tyler Starr, Tom Compton, Stefan Logan, and many, many more)
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Post by Yotes on Apr 26, 2016 12:39:59 GMT -6
The spotlight is brighter at the FBS level. If the NFL is the goal then FBS gives better odds as he will show himself against higher competition. FCS guys can and do go pro, but the FBS path increases your chances. Have to disagree. If a guy's good enough to play at that level, he will get the shot to play at that level. Number 1 overall pick on Thursday could very well be an FCS guy. That's the gross exception and far from the norm. Guessing less than 1% of top 5 draft picks the past 50 years have been FCS guys. |
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Post by fightsd on Apr 26, 2016 14:21:32 GMT -6
Have to disagree. If a guy's good enough to play at that level, he will get the shot to play at that level. Number 1 overall pick on Thursday could very well be an FCS guy. That's the gross exception and far from the norm. Guessing less than 1% of top 5 draft picks the past 50 years have been FCS guys. Your math is probably pretty close to correct. Just doesn't really mean anything. Of course the vast majority of top 5 picks come out of the FBS, the vast majority of NFL caliber players play at FBS schools. If there's a kid with NFL talent in another division, he will be put on the same draft board as every other top prospect. Not saying that Van Ginkel is or ever will be a first round guy, but if he had the talent, he would have gotten the shot at USD. JUST FOR FUN: I did a quick search for FCS first-rounders. A few notable names on there. FCS Steve McNair (Alcorn State) - 3rd overall in the 1995 draft John Thierry (Alcorn State) - 11th overall in the 1994 draft Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley State) - 16th overall in the 1985 draft Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee State) - 16th overall in the 2008 draft Joe Flacco (Delaware) - 18th overall in the 2008 draft Aaron Jones (Eastern Kentucky) - 18th overall in the 1988 draft Sylvester Morris (Jackson State) - 21st overall in the 2000 draft Eric Green (Liberty) - 21st overall in the 1990 draft Tyrone Poole (Fort Valley State) - 22nd overall in the 1995 draft Robert Porcher (SC State) - 26th overall in the 1992 draft Shawn Collins (Northern Arizona) - 27th overall in the 1989 draft Jamain Stephens (North Carolina A&T) - 29th overall in the 1996 draft Other John Mobley (Kutztown) - 15th overall in the 1996 draft Hugh Douglas (Central State) - 16th overall in the 1995 draft Mike Schad (Queen's) - 23rd overall in the 2000 draft Jermane Mayberry (Texas A&M–Kingsville) - 25th overall in the 1996 draft And don't forget Ed "Too Tall" Jones out of Tennessee St. that went #1 overall to the Cowboys in '74 |
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Post by ahasbeenandneverwas on Apr 27, 2016 11:20:21 GMT -6
Maybe, he decided he wanted to see different parts of the country/different stadiums. I never had the chance but if I could have went to a big time school and played, I would have. I'm not talking about me getting a huge amount of playing time, but to have the chance to play at (Michigan, Florida State, UCLA or Texas) any of those types of schools/environments would have been worth the price.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 27, 2016 17:53:35 GMT -6
For starters, he's probably 19 or 20 years old. Not many of us made great decisions at that age, so if he was somewhat star struck, I get it. Secondly, in all candor, was our position coach all that strong at the time the decision was made? I don't know, but that may have played into it. Lastly, kids are always impressioned by their parents, and maybe this is a case of them getting a little full of themselves and pitching the case to his/her son.
Whatever it is, he's gone. I wish him well but like some other posters, I won't follow him anymore than anyone else. He was a skilled player, and a darned good kid. Best wishes but........next.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jun 13, 2016 7:01:07 GMT -6
I realize there is no need to look back on this now, so my question looks ahead:
AVG was just offered by Nebraska the other day. I thought I read here his entire goal was to get an offer from and go to Iowa. He has had their offer for weeks. Why hasn't he committed there yet? Is he more open than was initially thought?
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Post by Yotes on Jun 13, 2016 8:33:31 GMT -6
I realize there is no need to look back on this now, so my question looks ahead: AVG was just offered by Nebraska the other day. I thought I read here his entire goal was to get an offer from and go to Iowa. He has had their offer for weeks. Why hasn't he committed there yet? Is he more open than was initially thought? If his end goal is the NFL he would be wise to be open to all offers and take the one that gives him the best shot at playing on Sundays. Reppping your home state and playing for your favorite childhood team is cool and all but hopefully not his end goal. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Jun 13, 2016 9:37:41 GMT -6
I think the Iowa thing was just rumors and people just assumed that was the end goal. As to that, if the NFL is the end goal then Iowa would be a great place to go as Ferentz is pretty well respected in NFL circles for player development and Iowa has sent a ton of guys to the pros. At one time just a couple of years ago the Hawkeyes were tied with Alabama as the school that had the most players playing in the NFL.
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