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Post by Coyote Fan on Jan 6, 2022 0:49:11 GMT -6
I just feel that so many more things have to go the Jacks way for them to win. They will have to figure out a way to stop Hannah first of all. Are they going to double her or play her straight up. If the Jacks don't stop Hannah or seriously slow her down that is going to be a big problem for them. I think Liv was made for this game the way she can create her own offense. All it really takes is one of Chloe or Liv to get hot from the field and suddenly they have a one two problem with Hannah always being one of their huge issues.
The best way for the Jacks to win is to try to get Hannah in foul trouble. So the Coyotes should counter by trying to get Selland in same trouble.
I think the Coyotes will win this one and put the Jacks behind the 8 ball for the rest of the conference season. It would force them to not lose any games until the rematch. If the Coyotes lose one they could still control their conference destiny in a rematch in Brookings.
Hannah creates such a huge roadblock for the yellow team to get past. They might figure it out but my money is on the Red and White.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 6, 2022 10:07:51 GMT -6
If anyone wants a fun look down the rabbit-hole of insanity, check out the conspiracy theories on the "other board". They are complaining about how we are going to get away with (and have somehow always gotten away with) aggressive fouling in an unfairly-called game, .... two days before the game has happened.... I'm floored. That is some next-level delusion. They are prepping themselves for complaining about the refs.  |
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Post by GoYotes on Jan 6, 2022 10:19:53 GMT -6
The Blue Birds sure do have a victim complex. We all know Saint AJ never complains about any calls.
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 6, 2022 10:33:03 GMT -6
The Blue Birds sure do have a victim complex. We all know Saint AJ never complains about any calls. No kidding. There is a double standard at play here with regard to the perception of women coaches too. Male coaches that chew on the ref are "fiery" advocates for their team. Women that do the same are "whiny b!&ches". Coach P has been doing this long enough to know what is tolerated, and what gets you a Technical. AJ is really good at the passive-aggressive ref chewing. He isn't very demonstrative or animated, but he is constantly communicating with the refs, even as they walk away from him. Its all part of the game. "don't hate the player, hate the game" (or love the game, ... either way) |
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 6, 2022 11:16:44 GMT -6
The middle three sections for seating (on both sides) is very close to being all "singles only". The front 1/4 to 1/3 of the corner sections is full, too. So I'd estimate that around 1,400 tickets have been pre-sold. I'd imagine that a game like this has a larger-than-normal amount of walk-up ticket sales, but I don't think we are looking at another sell-out of 6K. Probably closer to 4K, which is still plenty loud. The students not being back on campus yet is a bummer, but it sounds like the pep band will be there.
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 6, 2022 11:47:30 GMT -6
I meant to post this on Monday...
Three things that we know will happen in this game:
1) Yotes will have a cold-shooting spell
2) Some rando from SDSU will look like Steph Curry raining in 3s for a while
3) SDSU fans will complain bitterly about the officials
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 6, 2022 11:57:16 GMT -6
The Blue Birds sure do have a victim complex. We all know Saint AJ never complains about any calls. No kidding. There is a double standard at play here with regard to the perception of women coaches too. Male coaches that chew on the ref are "fiery" advocates for their team. Women that do the same are "whiny b!&ches". Coach P has been doing this long enough to know what is tolerated, and what gets you a Technical. AJ is really good at the passive-aggressive ref chewing. He isn't very demonstrative or animated, but he is constantly communicating with the refs, even as they walk away from him. Its all part of the game. "don't hate the player, hate the game" (or love the game, ... either way) The fun/ironic thing for WBB is the SDSU's SLT success (back when that was a thing) was largely due to their defensive style and knowing the refs swallow their whistle in post-season. Or a couple years ago in Vermillion when the strategy was to beat the $#*& out of Hanna on every possession, daring the refs to call something (they called a lot of fouls, but not every possession obviously). Bitching about the refs is a big part of their fan culture - even when it is to their benefit like these two examples. |
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Post by yote18 on Jan 6, 2022 12:25:42 GMT -6
Maybe I missed the memo on the blue board. I understand there are different styles of defense but every coach and player looks at what the refs are calling and adjusts accordingly. That’s a fundamental part of the game. Being physical isn’t just a USD thing lol. The two that posted the long paragraphs basically want defense taken out of the game. It is quite amazing how coach P and Hannah live rent free inside their heads.
Complaining about the refs BEFORE the game is just what you’d expect from a jacks fan. But when USD complained about every rivalry game being played in Brookings last year we were “poor sports” about it.
On the ref ripping, Dawn can overdue it sometimes but also the summit refs are awful so I don’t blame her. But if you wanna see a fine example of a fan base bashing a female coach look at NDSU they have no kind things to say about dawn either. Must be a theme with those Ag schools.
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Post by captaincoyote on Jan 6, 2022 12:31:04 GMT -6
This is what happens when an entitled fan base passes through the denial phase of grief as they watch their reign come to an end. I'm not saying SDSU's WBB is crumbling by any means, but having to acknowledging that the inter-rivalry power has shifted slightly to USD directly conflicts with their identity. Most probably thought that they would never be knocked off their conference pedestal. I can't wait for MBB to fully catch up as well...
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Post by Yotes on Jan 6, 2022 15:18:50 GMT -6
It must be exhausting to be the victim all the time. I know people who think absolutely everything is rigged against them, and they don't seem to enjoy any moment in life.
(Not that I'm condoning any state fans to change their ways and start enjoying life.)
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Post by 91jack on Jan 6, 2022 17:02:50 GMT -6
Maybe I missed the memo on the blue board. I understand there are different styles of defense but every coach and player looks at what the refs are calling and adjusts accordingly. That’s a fundamental part of the game. Being physical isn’t just a USD thing lol. The two that posted the long paragraphs basically want defense taken out of the game. It is quite amazing how coach P and Hannah live rent free inside their heads. Complaining about the refs BEFORE the game is just what you’d expect from a jacks fan. But when USD complained about every rivalry game being played in Brookings last year we were “poor sports” about it. On the ref ripping, Dawn can overdue it sometimes but also the summit refs are awful so I don’t blame her. But if you wanna see a fine example of a fan base bashing a female coach look at NDSU they have no kind things to say about dawn either. Must be a theme with those Ag schools. I would say that SDSU is just about as physical as USD is. USD might be a little ahead because SDSU does not have a player anywhere near as physical as Hannah in the post. That is the thing that used to separate SDSU (now it separates USD and SDSU) from the rest of the league. The one that posted the longest thread, I won't even touch. The other person didn't really talk about USD. They did say that it is tough when fouls are not called, when they are called on one team and they are not called on the other, refs should be consistent, let's hope that is not a factor and most of the time it isn't. I guess they did reply to an officiating post about USD but, from what I read, they were just saying that hopefully the game is called evenly so the players can decide it. There were 3 fans that brought this up if you include the one who just wants the games call evenly (they usually are- is what that person said). You can tell listening to AJ and Dawn that both teams respect each other. I like how they each push each other to get better. Both teams played great preconference schedules. It's just too bad the both (espically SDSU) didn't win a few more. Myah being injured hurt them. If both teams won a few more games, they both would of had a chance to make the WNCAA tourney again. SDSU will (probably) have to win the tourney to get in. Maybe USD can get an at-large. I think Dawn is a good coach. She is a little louder than I prefer but what she does what works for her. Her results speak for themselves. Both AJ and Henderson (SDSU men's coach) are much quieter. They both give their fair share of guff to the officials though. It is just that the whole gym doesn't hear them. I'm trying to remember if I was KC's men coach that worked the officials as much as Dawn. For the game, I think it should be a good one. USD have a lot going for them. They have home court, their big three "super seniors" and Myah isn't 100%, yet. SDSU still has a good team but is a good team, good enough to go into Vermillion and win? They are the top two teams in the conference for a reason. They both have slightly up and down years but they are still the top teams in the Summit even when they are "down". |
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 6, 2022 17:16:26 GMT -6
How the Selland vs. Watson and Sjerven vs. Everybody SDSU Can Muster matchups shake out are going to go a long way in this one but it sure seems to me that it's going to be really tough for State to find enough scoring against the U's airtight defense to win this game. Can State piece together enough O to keep pace with the Big 3? I tend to doubt it from what I've seen so far this season, but we shall see. I'm most excited to watch this match up. Coach P hasn't traditionally tried to take the other team's best player out of the game (denying the ball, double teams, any sort of junk-defense), so I'm guessing it will be pretty straight-up. (PS - can't say I agree with that approach, but what do I know.) Selland will have a ton of experience on her side, but Watson is so much quicker and more athletic. Will be fun to watch. The other match-up I'm curious about is PG vs. PG - Krull vs. Meyer. Will they guard each other? Will they kind of cancel each other out? Will both pick up the other full or 3/4 court to make things difficult/get the ball out of their hands? It will also be interesting to see what coaches do with the two not-100% players (Selland and Morgan Hansen). |
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Post by 91jack on Jan 6, 2022 20:00:58 GMT -6
I'm most excited to watch this match up. Coach P hasn't traditionally tried to take the other team's best player out of the game (denying the ball, double teams, any sort of junk-defense), so I'm guessing it will be pretty straight-up. (PS - can't say I agree with that approach, but what do I know.) Selland will have a ton of experience on her side, but Watson is so much quicker and more athletic. Will be fun to watch. The other match-up I'm curious about is PG vs. PG - Krull vs. Meyer. Will they guard each other? Will they kind of cancel each other out? Will both pick up the other full or 3/4 court to make things difficult/get the ball out of their hands? It will also be interesting to see what coaches do with the two not-100% players (Selland and Morgan Hansen). I have Meyer over Krull winning the PG match-up. I think Selland wins over Watson. I think Hannah will outplay all SDSU posts (Theisen, Burkhard and Byam). I think Lamb will outplay whoever guards her. I'm assuming it will be Irwin because she is (by far) SDSU's best defender. If Irwin guards Liv, I think those two would be a wash but if Nelson and Himmer guard her, she will get her share, too. |
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 6, 2022 22:41:54 GMT -6
The other match-up I'm curious about is PG vs. PG - Krull vs. Meyer. Will they guard each other? Will they kind of cancel each other out? Will both pick up the other full or 3/4 court to make things difficult/get the ball out of their hands? It will also be interesting to see what coaches do with the two not-100% players (Selland and Morgan Hansen). I have Meyer over Krull winning the PG match-up. I think Selland wins over Watson. I think Hannah will outplay all SDSU posts (Theisen, Burkhard and Byam). I think Lamb will outplay whoever guards her. I'm assuming it will be Irwin because she is (by far) SDSU's best defender. If Irwin guards Liv, I think those two would be a wash but if Nelson and Himmer guard her, she will get her share, too. I think you overvalue offense as related to ppg and undervalue defense. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Jan 7, 2022 11:23:57 GMT -6
Impossible to say. Lamb might have 30 or she might have an off night and it might not really have a whole lot to do with the defense ... but I'd think it'd be Irwin who gets the assignment regardless. The Meyer-Krull matchup will be interesting. Meyer appears to me to be a more advanced offensive player but will she be able to deal with the pressure Krull will bring? Will Krull be able to take advantage of her getting into the lane on the other end? Sjerven will outplay the SDSU posts ... but by how much? Will the first couple times Sjerven falls down does she pick up fouls on Burckhard or whomever, or do the refs ignore it and say quit falling down? Impossible to say. From my vantage point it appears Nelson gets the Korngable assignment. How does that play out? Does Nelson's size bother Liv a bit on the mid-range pull-up game? Or is Nelson not quite quick enough to stay with Korngable? Does SDSU think they can kind of "hide" Selland on Watson? How does that work for them? Does Kyah bang a few 3s and hurt the Jacks with some drives and on the offensive glass as a result? Lot of interesting subplots.
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