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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 12, 2018 22:22:54 GMT -6
Getting a fair shake on this board is an impossibility. That is one thing that is a fact. I present a totally reasonable argument and what happens other than the juvenile responses that come forth. Lee will receive credit for everything that goes right and receive no criticism for what does not. I try to be reasonable but honestly what is the point with the mentality of so many on this board.
Cousin Eddie set the standard with saying that Lee gets all the credit if Mooney stays but absolutely no blame what-so-ever if he does not. Last I knew part of Lee's responsibility to be a convincing enough of a voice for players to want to play for him. So let's say that Mooney leaves, a couple of recruits are lost, maybe another current player transfers out. So basically Lee has no accountability whatsoever for that. That would be perfect actually because CE and the clan would than have a perfect built in excuse if things don't go well.
Part of the point in this hire should have been to continue what was left off by Smith and that may very well be the case. Now is not the time to just accept a rebuild and have no expectation for the next 2 or 3 years. No Coyote fan would ever or should ever sign off on that way of thinking. Look at what Dawn P has done and look what coach Otz has done. Both of them came into a pretty difficult situation with player losses and both did outstanding jobs keeping the level high of those programs. Both of those coaches deserve a ton of credit. Lee needs to do the same thing to be considered a successful hire and if Mooney leaves that is no excuse.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 12, 2018 18:54:50 GMT -6
I want to sign a verbal contract with anyone that will agree to it. As an admitted skeptic I have already stated that I am willing to give Todd Lee his shot at continuing this run that the Coyotes are on. I think it is fair that I give him a chance but I want everyone else to be fair as well. If things don't go well such as a sub .500 record in the league or an obvious regression to what Smith has created don't rationalize it or make excuses for anything other than what it is. That happened with Joe Glenn for 4 years like a cult following, especially in year 3. People made every excuse in the book and didn't take the losing for what it was, losing and nothing else.
Regardless if you like it or not Lee does have some culpability in whether or not Mooney leaves. I don't think he deserves a ton of credit or blame but at least a little. That is fair. Don't we want a coach that can keep in place what was here when Smith left. Now it looks like we have a de-commit already. Lee has a responsibility to reach out to the recruits that have already committed to keep that relationship going. If someone is going to give credit to Lee if Mooney stays they should also give him a little culpability if he leaves. It goes both ways. If Lee loses some recruits though we can not put all that responsibility on him but it would not exactly be considered a good start. Part of his job will be recruiting and if he loses commitments right off the bat that can't make people feel fuzzy inside about his future recruiting ability.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 20:55:49 GMT -6
Why do some people have such a problem with dissenting opinions. Anyway how about someone respond and give your expectations for the upcoming season. We wouldn't want anyone to go out on a limb.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 18:14:12 GMT -6
Todd Lee has been a head coach for 8 or 9 years. That’s substantial. Until his hire I’d never heard of Todd Lee I guess at the end of the day, I’d put my trust in Herbster and Williams and not you. Period. You like the limelight of being a naysayer. I prefer to shed positive light on what’s going on at USD. You say I am a naysayer but what does that make you when describing Ryan Miller. It is called having a USD interest and being biased toward USD and not having that same biased when talking about outsiders. If Miller was hired somehow I think you would have a different tone. What I am saying is no worse than what you insinuate about Miller. At least I give my reasoning.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 17:42:27 GMT -6
Yoteforever,
I think a better way to look at it is that your glass is always filled with very bright red colored liquid and mine seems to be of clear water. That is the biggest difference. I think with an unbiased approach which is something that most people have a very hard time doing. What you think of Todd Lee should not change from before he was hired until now. For many that is simply not the case. If he was hired by another school somehow I have a feeling that not many Coyote fans would be too concerned about it. Jacks fans are not exactly quivering in their boots. I have been extremely positive about Plitzuweit and Smith but for some convenient reason that never seems to be mentioned. I am positive because they proved their worth as coaches at USD. Same with Amy Williams. Those are the three coaches that have absolutely proven at USD that they were undisputed winners. Forgive me for not completely falling head over heels for the new coach until he proves his worth. You say that Ryan Miller has been an assistant and that is maybe all he will ever be. Don't forget that most of his career Lee has been an assistant as well.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 16:57:21 GMT -6
So why even bring it up in the first place. If you are going to put the bait on the hook don't just leave us hanging. I didn’t bring it up but you did further the notion that there is some info out there that seems to be known by just a select few. It gets people fairly wondering what is going on with him. Did the guy commit a crime or something? What could he have possibly done that would ban him from coaching in South Dakota but yet is considered a valuable asset to TCU. I have heard pretty much nothing but good things about him and I don't ever remember anything like this coming up when SDSU was doing their coaching search. Lets just say there is something out there that would make him a not very desirable candidate. That doesn't excuse all the other coaches around the county that may have high upside that Lee was considered over. I think it is at least somewhat known that the Lee hire kind of came out of left field and didn't really follow conventional wisdom especially considering the age factor. At least that is a fair assessment or could be a train of thought. Even Herbster admitted in his recent radio interview that he did not have the sexiest resume. For me that says that the admin kind of went with a gut feel with this one and didn't necessarily go with upside. I think a certain amount of scrutiny is validated here.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 16:28:16 GMT -6
What gopheryote says is spot on. He speaks the truth. Sometimes you can’t conceal sources for obvious reasons. Miller will never get a D1 job in this state. I’d bet anything. So why even bring it up in the first place. If you are going to put the bait on the hook don't just leave us hanging.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 16:13:18 GMT -6
If we want to compare Lee to T.J. up at SDSU, we do need to consider that he took a Jackrabbit program that lost a good portion of their talent other than Daum and took them to the NCAA tourney in his first and second year. In the first half of the season the Jacks were horrible but he turned them around in a fairly drastic manner in a very short amount of time. That actually had very little to do with recruiting and much to do with his coaching ability, motivation level, and ability to develop players and schemes that would work with the players that he had. He was known as a recruiter going in so what he did was pretty remarkable.
That is not to say that Lee will do the same but he is taking over a program in good shape with at least as much to work with as T.J. had. If he is considered a good hire I think we need to hold him to a standard that is at least somewhat comparable to what T.J. has done so far in Brookings. With what Lee has we should not be looking at some long term rebuilding project especially considering that one of Lee's strengths is apparently that he has a flexible coaching style that is supposed to cater to the players that he has.
I will give Lee every chance as a coach but I will have relatively high standards as well. I actually could care less at what he has done with the rest of his coaching career because I care what he does at USD and USD only. We should expect him to basically continue with where coach Smith left off. If he does that I will be more than happy with him. Until than I reserve the right to remain at least somewhat skeptical. There is nothing wrong with skeptics as every fan base has them and needs them.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 16:00:28 GMT -6
Folks - Miller isn't getting a HC job for a while. There are reasons - and not ones that fans would know about. Why don't you fill us in on those reasons? What are your sources for this information?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 15:59:37 GMT -6
OK we all have our opinions and we can just agree to disagree and leave it at that. So the moment Craig Smith was made official at Utah State what were everyone's expectations for the Coyotes going forward before any one knew who the coach would be.
I ask these question to any Coyotes fan that wants to answer. Put your opinion on the record so we know in advance your thoughts. I think everyone would like to hear these opinions.
What is your realistic expectation of the program?
Is having a clean program enough, regardless of the record?
Are there a set number of wins and losses within the Summit League that would be considered acceptable and what would be ideal?
What would be the absolute minimum that would be acceptable for the new coach to keep his job?
How many years should the new coach be guaranteed regardless of results?
Is there a specific age that would be your ideal candidate or is age just a number?
Do you want the highest upside coach possible or do you want a coach that is willing to stay for awhile even if he might not have the largest upside?
How important to you is it to be able to beat the Jacks on a consistent basis at the Summit Tourney?
Is getting to the NCAA tournament a must for the new coaching hire to be considered a success? If so how often should the Coyotes be expected to make it?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 14:05:24 GMT -6
He does not have D1 head coaching experience. I thought he was average at Kentucky Wesleyan. He doesn't seem real sought after. I feel he should be at a better place well before this. He seems to fit the profile of A solid assistant. I would have hired Ryan Miller, the guy from NW Mizzo St and the guy that turned around the kick and NAIA program. don't know the names off hand.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 11, 2018 12:00:16 GMT -6
I still remain on the fence with this hire. If I just took everything I read or was told about him I would be more apt to be sold especially when it involved Coyote bias. If I just looked at things objectively and made my own opinion about him I still am worried that the Coyotes will not be able to maintain and build on what coach Smith has done. The resume and career path scare me and when listening to his interviews it does not sell me that the Coyotes are going to be going to the NCAA tourney any time soon. My gut tells me that recruiting may be the biggest issue. IMO if he wins basketball games than I will not care whether he comes from Neptune or whether he is a USD graduate. I worry this was the hire made because of knowing that he might stay long term instead of getting the very best guy for the job. My initial opinion is mid level Summit type team that most probably lags behind SDSU and perhaps others.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 19:34:52 GMT -6
My bad I thought he was an Augie grad. Oops.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 16:34:19 GMT -6
Just thinking long term a bit. Sanford could be a HUGE elephant in the room. With the Sanford CEO being an Augie graduate who is to say that Augustana doesn't make a huge announcement in partnership with Sanford Health. Not only a D1 announcement but they could change their name to Sanford University, or maybe the University of Sanford take your choice. They make the move and keep scholarship football with Sanford being a big time funding mechanism. Currently Sanford partner's with the USD Medical school, but what would stop them from expanding Sanford University's offerings and open a medical school. At that point they would put their resources towards that Med School and next thing ya know the USD partnership with Sanford could end rather abruptly. Wouldn't it be ironic if USD's refusal to expand into Sioux Falls (and the same could be said for SDSU) could eventually put USD into the status of third most important athletic college in the State. Augie and Sanford partnering up would probably be a worst case senario for USD. Eventually it could lead to that school surpassing both State schools and becoming the premier college in the state. It could be a long way down the road but Sanford has some pretty deep pockets and funding a good athletic department would be no problem for them. Considering how close Augie is to the main Sanford campus it makes a ton of sense.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 13:59:52 GMT -6
Yote 14
you may be right. I still believe in student athlete freedom.
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