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Post by obc on Oct 25, 2012 11:19:21 GMT -6
ISU looks to have a solid defense From top to bottom- a physical OL - an All-American RB. On top of that it is a road game.
Shakir Bell could have a great day if the SD defense does not wrap up on their tackles. This years Yotes have not beaten every bit of optimism I have towards them, just most of it.
ISU 28 USD 13
Hope I am wrong. At least the game is on ESPN 3 - so we can watch.
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Post by obc on Oct 25, 2012 9:20:47 GMT -6
IMO you will not get success begging and pleading students to come to the games - in fact that may get the opposite effect.
To get students to come and stay the following would help:
Win Exciting offense Beer sales Renovated Dome - get rid of the bleachers - they look like crap and make the venue seem very small time. State of the Art HD replay Board Better sound system Better lighting for the Dome - ever see how NDSU opens a game in the FargoDome - they have lighting that can shut off making it dark - use a spotlight and the scoreboard before turning on the lights when they take the field. Our current lighting is the type that takes a while to warm up and turn on. Scholarship lottery mentioned before - must be present to win - all students are entered automatically - that would make it a 1/10000 chance that it would even cost the University anything. Advertise tailgating more - amazing to me how many people I meet that have no idea how tailgating has taken off. IMO the amount of tailgating can at least double from where we are now with the right promotion.
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Post by obc on Oct 24, 2012 19:48:36 GMT -6
Trent Miles at ISU is one of the most respected coaches at the FCS level. He has turned a putrid ISU team around into one that is competing in the top tier of the MVFC this year. This is his fifth season at ISU - 2010 was the first winning season for their program since 1996. I have read from posters that good coaches make immediate impact. Here have been his results: 2008 0-12 2009 1-10 2010 6-5 2011 6-5 2012 6-2 so far - loss to Indiana and SDSU - beat the Bison Link to info on Trent Miles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_MilesJoe Glenn has a lot of work to do - good coach that can get this program into position to win. If Trent Miles can recruit to ISU after going 1-22 in his first 23 games - USD will be able to as well.
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Post by obc on Oct 24, 2012 11:44:09 GMT -6
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Post by obc on Oct 24, 2012 5:58:31 GMT -6
A pretty average 5-6 SDSU team gave an 85 scholarship Bug Eaters team everything they could handle two years ago. Pretty sure an 85 scholarship Michigan team fell to App State a few years back. An 85 scholarship Pittsburgh got destroyed by Youngstown State this year. Haha, Pittsburgh is a horribly coached team with a lack of a recruiting base for the last 3-4 years. Come one. Nebraska...NDSU could beat them since Nebraska is so up and down, but Rex Burkhead would also easily be the best player they have seen all year. Comparing NDSU to Northwestern in terms of USD's games this year I think NDSUs defense was faster but Northwestern was a little more physical in their DL. NDSU's defense sure dominated USD even more. Offensively Northwestern seemed more explosive than NDSU with Venric Mark. Northwestern's OL was also a little better. If the two teams played I would pick NDSU by6 (as long as NDSUs kicker's pulled hamstring is fully healed.)
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Post by obc on Oct 23, 2012 21:17:52 GMT -6
Obviously it is a very frustrating season for everyone especially the team and coaches. I agree with jimmer that NDSU could beat a lot of FBS teams and Nebraska is probably one. It is interesting to me that no one thought that Wes should go after the Minnesota win (he called a brilliant game) or after beating Eastern Washington last year. The Yotes are very young and playing in the toughest FCS conference in the country this year for sure. The play calling has to match the personnel available. We all agree the Yotes must play smarter and the play calling needs to be more varied ASAP. There will be better times!!! GO YOTES!!! The Bison would not be a 85 scholarship Nebraska team. Good grief. A pretty average 5-6 SDSU team gave an 85 scholarship Bug Eaters team everything they could handle two years ago. Pretty sure an 85 scholarship Michigan team fell to App State a few years back. An 85 scholarship Pittsburgh got destroyed by Youngstown State this year.
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Post by obc on Oct 23, 2012 18:42:22 GMT -6
People are panicking about this loss. In my opinion NDSU could play and beat some of the FBS' best schools. Patience is key. Let Coach Glenn get his D-1 recruits in... But first we need a PASS first QB. NDSU lost to Indiana State...so I don't think they will be beating Kansas State anytime soon... Maybe not until next season when they play......
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 18:59:10 GMT -6
I have to agree with MichiganMike about his commments. Also, anybody who thinks 1/2 of 9300 (4650 USD fans) is a great showing has to have their head examined. 10,196 vs WIU and 7,863 vs ISU in Vermillion. If it weren't for the fact the game was aginst NDSU this game would have been in a half empty, silent Howard Wood Field. Seems the Coyote players were about as enthusiastic as the fan base to play this game in Sioux Falls. This experiment was a total failure on all levels. The support for the Coyotes from SF wasn't there. This showcase game turned into an @**whooping for those who did show up. I don't see how anybody can spin this positive. This team is having a hard enough time this season. No reason to give away any advantages we may have had. I hope this grand experiment is a one and done deal. I don't say the game in SF was a success - but if anyone actually believes the home attendance numbers you posted - they also need their head examined. 5700 seats total in the main grandstand is the max it holds. Were there 4500 students in the bleachers on D-Days? The Illinois State game had numerous empty main grandstand seats open. Student turnout was not great that game - maybe 1000. I would estimate 7800 for D Days and 5600 for the Illinois St game.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 9:25:54 GMT -6
Even though Usd had an easier schedule last year and comparing records would be misleading, this year's team is not as good.
There have been significant roster changes since Glenn arrived and I anticipate quite a bit more this offseason.
Roster changes from 2011 Coyote FB of note, position, what class they would have been in 2012, and where they are from
Dametrius Turner DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida
Chris Frierson DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida - dismissed before fifth game
Alphonso Valdez DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida
Noah Pearl RB - SO - KC - Ed burned his redshirt year unfortunately for him - Ed remarked that Noah was very young minded.... - transferred to Arkansas State and sitting out this year
Judas Smith - DB - red FR - Las Vegas
Justin Wohlert - DB - red FR - Hartley IA
Kelan Richardson - LB - red FR - Lake City IA
Chase Irvin-Salazar - TE - SO - KC
Vladimir Gray - LB - red FR - Killeen TX
Nikorey Benyard - LB - red FR - Miami FL
Trayvis Peters - DL - red FR - Miami FL
Colton Kunde - OL - SO - Lake Forrest IL
Mike Pharis - DL - JR - Sioux Falls - Seems to have had injuries his entire time at USD - perhaps ended his career
All that plus 22 seniors last year (8 offensive starters and 6 defensive starters)
I would expect a similar underclassmen turnover as Glenn shakes them this coming off-season.
Hard to recruit going 1-10 but unless the current team picks it up, that will be what the staff has to do.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 9:15:38 GMT -6
Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked. He made a comment that USD lost after the Bison stepped off the bus. That was probably the most insulting comment I saw towards his own players. I'm not saying he didn't say anything that wasn't true but man sometimes you just take your lumps and say "Congratulations" to the other team and leave it at that. Having respect for the opposing team is fine but have some for your own players as well. The team has been coddled enough.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 8:54:46 GMT -6
I watched the game online and listened to it on the radio. Not going to make any remarks about the game on either side other than to say the game was as a I thought it would be a one sided victory but had no prediction of the final score. What I will say however is this about your coach. I know he's new to USD as a coach and should and will be given time to recruit and develop players to play in his system. But his post game comments to the media? I'm sure our staff and players appreciate his comments but on the flip side your players must be shaking their heads saying "did he really just say that?" I understand the comments were made right after a stinging defeat that embarrassed him and the players but still to say some of the things he did would make me cringe if I played for him. Just my thoughts and I'm not slamming anyone just making an observation. Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked.
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Post by obc on Oct 21, 2012 19:26:42 GMT -6
As a Jackrabbit fan I am an outsider here. I know the game outcome was negative. What about the whole concept of playing the game in Sioux Falls? Should the Coyotes do it again? Did it really net USD enough money to give up a home game? Or, did it gain something other than money that made it worth playing in Sioux Falls? Obviously getting blown out by a higher profile program that plucks some of the best FCS talent in the area is not good. USD has unique challenges to SDSU, and IMO waned to take a chance by seeing if they could reconnect with disconnected alumni in the SF area. SDSU has had a more connected alumni group for years and has had more students for years. On top of that they did a good job reaching out and connecting with even more alumni. Throw in the success in FB, MBB and WBB they have earned some rightful buzz and attention. USD needs to have some success on the field and basketball court as job one. People will jump on a winning wagon. The crowd was made up of a significant number of people that do not go to Vermillion for games. Will coming to see the Coyotes get destroyed make them come back? Probably not it was pretty embarrassing. The interesting thing though is four of my coworkers that came and tailgated actually told me they are much more likely to come to some games in Vermillion more for the festivities than the football really. They also told me that unlike me they would leave at halftime if the game sucked. Not sure what the rest of the crowd's take will be.
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Post by obc on Oct 21, 2012 18:39:39 GMT -6
I don't know if effort was not there or not. I think it was. What I think is missing is the attitude. Something small and most likely insignificant to most watching was the simple act of the USD players taking the field following the Harley. Did you notice that about 3/4 of the team rushed out and gathered at the 50 yard line by the sideline while about 1/4 (several starters btw) trotted out lackadaisically like they were walking to class. Take the field like you own it and with some passion. And most importantly get your ass with the team collectively.
Four more games left for the team to come together and find the right attitude. For some of the players it may be their last four games ever. I hope they take advantage of it.
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Post by obc on Oct 21, 2012 13:46:01 GMT -6
I think that we we can give Coach Glenn a few more years . . . . but it is definitely time for Wesley to go. He may have been a great player for USD, but he is definitely not D1, Off.Coor or Head Coach material. What a demoralizing loss for the players last night. I'm not sure what is worse . . . losing to Missouri State with a field goal as time ran out after being ahead by 14 points with 5 minutes left or losing 54-0 to NDSU, racking up a total of 76 yds? Both were unacceptable - MSU was a loss to a team equal to USD in talent - blowing a lead and three decent quarters of play. NDSU is a championship team that embarrassed our program in a market that is important to grow fans. MSU felt worse, but NDSU was more embarrassing.
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Post by obc on Oct 21, 2012 9:42:00 GMT -6
Pretty predictable outcome for the game. The most disappointing thing watching the game was that USD continues to make mistakes that make it even harder for them to compete. Another Punt block, more penalties, dropping balls, fumble....
NDSU is a championship caliber team. They have very good DL and LB + a shut down corner.
USD's offense did not give their defense any help the entire night. The biggest problem is the OL. They have been overmatched in every game except Colgate. The loss of four starters on the OL from last year was a concern for reason. Add to the fact that they are good for at least two false start penalties a game and the outcome is not good.
The special teams headed by Tim Triplett is embarrassing. Four blocked punts so far - this should be unacceptable. On top of that our very good punter is not performing well (IMO because he knows how soft the protection is and he is worried about the defensive player that will soon be diving at his legs untouched.) Add to that the 135 yards of punt return yardage that NDSU racked up - once again a failure of the coach to have the players in their lanes ready to make a play.
The poor special teams play and the lack of offensive first downs (four for the game by USD) gave the NDSU the ball frequently in Coyote territory. If you do that against bad teams you will lose. Against NDSU you are lucky if they don't score 80 on you.
The defense looked like they were going to buckle down and make NDSU pass. NDSU was happy to oblige and consistently protected their QB giving the receivers time to get open.
Glenn is trying to play a physical style of offense with a team that is not physical. If you don't have the OL to get push you cannot run against other physical teams.
The other thing missing this year is some real top-end speed on offense. We are missing Jeremy Blount in a big way. He stretched the defense and made room for our underneath passing game. Perhaps that wouldn't help either though because I am skeptical the OL could pass protect for a true 5 step drop deep route. (My belief is that is why JVM is the QB - the coaches have to know that if they did not have a mobile QB he would be soon hospitalized.)
Huge embarrassment in the SF market in front of a bunch of people that never go to games in Vermillion and will certainly never go. The USD fb team missed an opportunity to show some guts and effort and at least put up a fight for 60 minutes. Instead of showing some progress - they got to see the same old story - USD losing and losing big to NDSU.
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