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Post by kiyoat on Mar 20, 2023 11:02:50 GMT -6
Seems like K Watson is a big loser here also. Yeah. That's a tough one. It will be interesting to see what she decides to do. Stay at WVU, Transfer to Minnesota,... or maybe transfer back to USD? I'd love it if she came home! And I'm sure I'm not the only one. If I had to guess, I'd say she goes to Minnesota, even if it has to be as a walk-on. She has proven she can play at that level. |
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Post by marco on Mar 20, 2023 11:13:11 GMT -6
She would have to set out a year but they give waivers . one rule is that its something out of the players control like the coach leaving
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Post by yotenation on Mar 20, 2023 11:24:05 GMT -6
She would have to set out a year but they give waivers . one rule is that its something out of the players control like the coach leaving She could seek a waiver but I seem to remember reading that the NCAA had recently changed the waiver guidelines to make it much tougher to qualify for a waiver. Not sure the coaching change alone would be enough. If she is close to graduating she could potentially graduate at the end of the summer and transfer as a grad transfer. But I have no idea if that is a possibility. It's tough to graduate in less than four years, especially with the time demands of an athlete -- and especially if you have not planned all along for that. She's in a tough spot. Of all the people impacted by this, I feel worst for her. But maybe she loves in in WV and has formed a lot of great relationships there and wants to stay. That would be ideal for her. |
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Post by jmgg on Mar 20, 2023 11:26:56 GMT -6
Seems like K Watson is a big loser here also. This is what I stated earlier. She's really in limbo now. Young lady, come on back to USD and be happy. I know I'd be thrilled to have her rejoin the team and I'm pretty sure everyone else would be as well. |
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Post by usdguy99 on Mar 20, 2023 11:33:03 GMT -6
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Post by yotenation on Mar 20, 2023 11:36:24 GMT -6
Seems like K Watson is a big loser here also. This is what I stated earlier. She's really in limbo now. Young lady, come on back to USD and be happy. I know I'd be thrilled to have her rejoin the team and I'm pretty sure everyone else would be as well. I don't know whether coming back to USD is something she would consider. But I'm sure she would be welcomed with open arms. From a pure basketball standpoint, she is an elite defender who would make us better. |
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 20, 2023 11:39:33 GMT -6
Although she (Kyah) has played three seasons in college, I'm pretty sure she still has two years of playing eligibility. According to the WVU roster she received a redshirt for her true freshman season at USD, plus I think she would qualify for a Covid year anyway. I have no idea about a sit-out year waiver, though. Wherever she plays she will be an asset with her experience and athleticism.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Mar 20, 2023 12:02:59 GMT -6
I'm not really all that interested in what fans think of a coach leaving. It's always going to be a little bit of a sore spot no matter how perfectly it is or isn't done.
That said, it sure seems like Plitzuweit's players love and respect her, which at the end of the day is all that really matters. This move seems good for her and good for Minnesota women's basketball. It sure feels like if the Gophers had moved on from Whalen a year earlier the West Virginia pit stop probably never happens.
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Post by yotenation on Mar 20, 2023 12:15:47 GMT -6
If Karius is able to guide this program back to competing for Summit League titles, any saltiness toward Dawn will dissipate pretty quickly.
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 20, 2023 22:31:09 GMT -6
She most certainly deserves recognition. No one’s faulting her for moving up the ladder after having the success she had. You can respect what she gave us and also be salty with what she left us. What she left us? There was a fair bit a talent in street clothes all year if my old man memory serves me correctly. Dawn didn't get them hurt. The theory I supposed to believe is that Dawn knew she was leaving some time way before the end of last year and recruited down to really stick it to us. Keep in mind in wbb they are on these kids way before their senior year, so she must have been plotting for some time. I'm gonna take a pass on buying that...at all. And to state the obvious again if someone offered me a job with a 20%+ raise today, I'll be cashing their checks in two weeks. It's just how the world works. You have the theory a little wrong. She wasn't intentionally recruiting down to stick it to USD, she just wasn't recruiting as hard as she had because she knew she would be leaving after the big 3 graduated. That's the theory that was out there. Dawn knew we would be really good last year and knew she would have opportunities so she wasn't exactly motivated to pound that recruiting trail and it showed. Then she left and actively recruited the two starters that we had coming back. Even though those may be the facts I have no ill will towards dawn. She did great things while at usd and she left for a job that could pay her a lot more. As others have mentioned it's not her job to help USD continue future success. It would have been great if she did, but not really her job. If I knew I was probably leaving a place I too would probably have a hard time really trying to talk kids into coming to play at the place I was leaving. |
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Post by 90yote on Mar 21, 2023 7:16:17 GMT -6
What she left us? There was a fair bit a talent in street clothes all year if my old man memory serves me correctly. Dawn didn't get them hurt. The theory I supposed to believe is that Dawn knew she was leaving some time way before the end of last year and recruited down to really stick it to us. Keep in mind in wbb they are on these kids way before their senior year, so she must have been plotting for some time. I'm gonna take a pass on buying that...at all. And to state the obvious again if someone offered me a job with a 20%+ raise today, I'll be cashing their checks in two weeks. It's just how the world works. You have the theory a little wrong. She wasn't intentionally recruiting down to stick it to USD, she just wasn't recruiting as hard as she had because she knew she would be leaving after the big 3 graduated. That's the theory that was out there. Dawn knew we would be really good last year and knew she would have opportunities so she wasn't exactly motivated to pound that recruiting trail and it showed. Then she left and actively recruited the two starters that we had coming back. Even though those may be the facts I have no ill will towards dawn. She did great things while at usd and she left for a job that could pay her a lot more. As others have mentioned it's not her job to help USD continue future success. It would have been great if she did, but not really her job. If I knew I was probably leaving a place I too would probably have a hard time really trying to talk kids into coming to play at the place I was leaving. I mean...come on. So if the theory was that she was going to leave after the three seniors left, was that plan in place for 2021 or did she amend that plan when Covid gave them another year (and for Hannah that wasn't certain until the summer of 2021 when she decided to play another year at USD and have an ankle surgery/procedure)? So the "not recruiting as hard" part, that was after the Larkins/Duffney/Carson class was recruited? Larkins is on pace to be a top-10 player at USD and while Duffney has a ways to go defensively, she showed excellent athleticism and scoring ability after not playing in games for 2 years. So did that begin with the Demers/Bergstrom class? Demers was offered by UND, NDSU, and SDSU. All state universities that were closer to her home. Bergstrom seems well-regarded. Kayla certainly implied she was going to play quite a bit this season before her injury. Then it must've begun with the 2023 class...you know, the one we haven't seen yet. Klosterbuer seems very excited to play at USD (accepted the offer after 5 days) but I would guess the culture the program (and Dawn) established had something to do with that. Broughton was a big get in recruiting, though we'll obviously have to see how she will recover after tearing both ACL's. The broader point here is that for WBB, recruiting is so far out into the future. If you want to criticize 2023 or that SDSU has five SD verbals for 2024, fine. But that had nothing to do with last year. And the recruiting classes before that don't back up that theory. Also, this "theory" seems to not take into account that if I remember correctly a year ago, by the time the Yotes were done, WVU was the only P5 job still open. What would have happened if WVU hadn't been interested in Dawn? It takes two to tango. She probably would have stayed for last year. Sorry for the snark, I'm in a bit of a mood this morning. 🙂 |
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2023 7:50:37 GMT -6
Yeah, I don't buy anything that suggests our coaching staff "slacked off" in recruiting at all. Recruiting is such a difficult, time-consuming activity.
Even when you give everything, turn every stone, sell sell sell, run yourself ragged, .... you still are never guaranteed any results. Even highly rated recruits often don't pan out, and often coaches hit the jackpot with lightly recruited kids. Sometimes it's great or poor evaluation skills from the coach, sometimes it's great or poor sales skills from the coach, sometimes it's great or poor player development skills from a coach, sometimes it is a late blooming kid, sometimes it's the program or winning that sells itself, and often it is just dumb luck IMHO.
Basically like fishing or gambling. A very tough business. I think one of the most telling things that tells me our staff was doing a good job is when we went head-to-head with peer programs for kids. The Jacks and the Yotes both beat each-other for recruits in recent cycles. That tells me all I need to know about whether anyone was "slacking off".
Now will Kayla's staff win battles with the Jacks? Maybe not at first. If the stories are true, we likely lost out on Selland due to the coaching change. She went with a coach she already had a recruiting relationship with, rather than the unknown. We were lucky that Caitlin was already a Yote, or we could have lost Ciara to the Jacks or one of the P-5 programs that were recruiting her (there's the "dumb luck" part)...But I feel like this staff places a high priority on recruiting, and is experienced in that arena (all of them have held the "recruiting coord" title in the past IIRC). Kayla and her staff may have a slow start, but I think they are prioritizing the right things, both from a program-building and a program culture standpoint. We'll get there.
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Post by yotenation on Mar 21, 2023 10:04:42 GMT -6
What she left us? There was a fair bit a talent in street clothes all year if my old man memory serves me correctly. Dawn didn't get them hurt. The theory I supposed to believe is that Dawn knew she was leaving some time way before the end of last year and recruited down to really stick it to us. Keep in mind in wbb they are on these kids way before their senior year, so she must have been plotting for some time. I'm gonna take a pass on buying that...at all. And to state the obvious again if someone offered me a job with a 20%+ raise today, I'll be cashing their checks in two weeks. It's just how the world works. You have the theory a little wrong. She wasn't intentionally recruiting down to stick it to USD, she just wasn't recruiting as hard as she had because she knew she would be leaving after the big 3 graduated. That's the theory that was out there. Dawn knew we would be really good last year and knew she would have opportunities so she wasn't exactly motivated to pound that recruiting trail and it showed. Then she left and actively recruited the two starters that we had coming back. Even though those may be the facts I have no ill will towards dawn. She did great things while at usd and she left for a job that could pay her a lot more. As others have mentioned it's not her job to help USD continue future success. It would have been great if she did, but not really her job. If I knew I was probably leaving a place I too would probably have a hard time really trying to talk kids into coming to play at the place I was leaving. Not buying this theory at all. |
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Post by easmus on Mar 21, 2023 14:03:56 GMT -6
My guess is if Joy Bergstrom plays this season, nobody would be bagging on the recruiting. If Kyah and Maddie didn’t bolt, we would not have had so many spots to fill all of a sudden.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2023 14:46:17 GMT -6
My guess is if Joy Bergstrom plays this season, nobody would be bagging on the recruiting. If Kyah and Maddie didn’t bolt, we would not have had so many spots to fill all of a sudden. And if Pep had played, Demers wouldn't have had to be thrown to the wolves so early in her career. Same with Mazurek and Grange With those three, suddenly we are a completely different team with size, experience, scoring and depth. Injuries suck. |
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